Советское кино и музыка - дань ностальгии или правда есть что-то стоящее.

[kot]

А что в них хорошего было? Противные голоса, дурацкий типа "юмор".

И мультфильм потом обрезанный, а не целиком.

Обрезанный мультфильм, порноВинни Пух 

[Kivi]

Кажется, по Спокойной ночи, малыши тоже порно есть. 

Интересно, а про Винни-Пуха есть?

Ужас какой. Бедный Пятачок...

[düsha]

хорошей музыки в советском кино катастрофически мало. Чтобы смотрел и от музыки аж мурашки бежали

отзывы на imdb
якобы бразилец

In November, 1942, near the Volga, Stanlingrad is under siege of Commander Friederich Paulus and his 330,000 men. The Russian high command unleashes an operation to protect the Mishkova River to avoid that about four hundred tanks join Paulus' army. The Soviet artillery soldiers protect their position with their lives in a bloodshed with few survivors.

"Goryachiy Sneg" a.k.a. "Burning Snow" is a is a Soviet war movie based on one of the bloodiest battles ever. The screenplay is irregular with good battle scenes but a little confused regarding the motivations of the characters specially the leaders of the operation. The romance between Lt. Nikolai Kuznetsov and Nurse Tanya is kind of silly and only a diversion in the lead story. My vote is seven.

не понял, говорит, мотивацию героев, особенно лидеров операции

якобы американец

These Soviet war epics tend to get awfully frustrating after a while. While the filmmakers have huge, almost limitless resources at their disposal, like lots of vintage tanks, equipment, Red Army personnel, and government cooperation (providing it's propaganda) - narratively, they fail to adhere to basic practices. Usually a good movie does not play all its good cards at once, but these Russian war films tend to run out of steam before the climax even comes, which ends up being either glossed over or over-shadowed by bigger and better battles earlier in the film! This film is a little more patriotic than Sergei Bondarchuk's "They Fought for their Motherland" (1975), which was set a few months prior to this film in essentially the same theater of war. The big difference is this one is set in the winter and follows a much larger division of younger Anti-tankers, these ones armed with artillery instead of just PTRD rifles. While there's more action and less emphasis on mid-battle philosophizing and humanizing, and some laughable attempts to make the Political Commissars look heroic, trust and beloved by their units, this one is surprisingly short and straight-forward.

The Germans attempt the near-hopeless 'Operation Winter Storm' to break out the beleaguered Sixth Army at Stalingrad. Somehow, we're asked to sympathize with the relatively well-armed Russians who are pre-ordained to win no matter what, especially since their resistance was nullified by Zhukov's 'Operation Little Saturn' which hit the German / Italian flanks and forced them to break off the attack (see the movie ATTACK AND RETREAT) which pretty much ended any hope of German victory. The soldiers pretty much just do their job as instructed besides a young lieutenant who goes through a lot of romantic angst with his girlfriend assigned to his command. A few of the main characters are killed by the anonymous Germans, who are never clearly seen save for a P.O.W.

The German tanks however, with fine mock-ups of Panzer IV's, STUG III's, and even a few Tigers, are well-done and numerous, but where's the air suppport?

[kot]

Ужас какой. Бедный Пятачок...

Скорее тигра 

[kot]

Зачем-то вспомнил"иди и смотри". Хочу забыть обратно.

[Юльчча]

У них там еще кролик есть, а также его многочисленные родственники и знакомые.

[jeckie ♔]

У них там еще кролик есть, а также его многочисленные родственники и знакомые.

И ужасный слонопотам!!! 

[Hallgerd]

У них там еще кролик есть, а также его многочисленные родственники и знакомые.

Инцест и групповуха! 

Извините, навеяло. 

Cпойлер

[ТетраМ]

Не все советские фильмы отвратительны и не все голливудское и европейское кино прекрасно.
Что мешает совмещать восхищение лучшими образцами и того, и другого?

Мешает современная ситуация.
Да, совок был говном, но что-то хорошее при нем иногда прорывалось. И не потому что это были успехи совка, а потому что были отдельные талантливые люди. Был бы другой строй, вполне вероятно, что они смогли бы сделать больше.
Но многих из них сейчас сложно оценивать объективно - кто стал крымнашистом, кто-то скурвился по полной. А еще сложно, потому что мы сейчас с совком в головах боремся. И всерьез, а не так, как в перестройку.
Мои знакомые смотрели в 60-х "Падение Берлина" и рассказывали, что им было очень не по себе, даже страшно, когда на экране появился Сталин, прямо мурашки по коже. Они сталинские времена еще хорошо помнили. Я для интереса посмотрела, но уже в 80-х. Естественно, что без всяких мурашек. И могла уже спокойно оценивать художественные приемы. И фильмы Лени Рифеншталь сейчас можно спокойно смотреть и разбирать. А вот Бортко, Михалкова, Нордштейна не хочется. Потому что их позиция накладывает отпечаток и на творчество. Так же и отношение к совку мешает оценивать нормально искусство, которое при нем было.

[kot]

Не все советские фильмы отвратительны и не все голливудское и европейское кино прекрасно.
Что мешает совмещать восхищение лучшими образцами и того, и другого?

Мешает современная ситуация.

А после гузинской войны не мешала?
Это все из серии "испортил некролог".

[ТетраМ]

А после грузинской войны не мешала?

Мешала тоже. Сейчас мешает сильнее, потому что свое сильнее болит.

[düsha]

отзывов про фильм мало, много русских, некоторые русские уверены, что там нет никакой пропаганды 
вот этот якобы шотландец не согласен

I'm very fond of this film, albeit with some misgivings about its one sided version of history (see later). It is basically a film about a group of friends who have just been demobbed from the Russian Civil War, and who are trying to get themselves back into civilian life, when one of them is framed for a gold robbery, and has to fight to prove his innocence.

Like many Soviet films of the time, it switches from colour to black and white at the drop of a hat, but in this film that works quite well. The music has a cheesy 1970s charm to it, and it reminds me of "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" in a positive way. In fact, this film reminds me of "Butch Cassidy" in more ways than one. They both have the same feeling of sad nostalgia to them, and friendship.

I count myself lucky to have seen it in the cinema, since it is hardly ever shown in this part of the world. The action sequences are excellent, with the exception of the assault on the bandits' camp, which we don't see at all.

Of course, the one thing I am uncomfortable with is the revision of history in the film and the political aspects. At times, the film lards you with Communist propaganda, and completely ignores the fact that the famines in the Soviet Union at the time were partly because of the government. The Cheka is presented as an entirely benevolent force (we know from the Soviets' own records that it was often brutal and barbaric, and arrested innocent people.). There is a bit of stereotyping in the film as well - one of the Muslim characters is portrayed as a complete idiot.

However, if you're willing NOT to let that get in the way, it is a brilliant film. If you get hold of the DVD, I recommend watching it with English subtitles, rather than with the English dubbing (I have watched both versions), because that version is much better.

ему нравится, но приходится заставлять себя игнорировать пропаганду

вот это точно нерусский

I watched this under the title FRIEND AMONG STRANGERS. It's a mixed bag of a film, light-hearted in some places and rather heavy in others, with the usual Russian mix of masculine attitudes and heavy emoting. The story, set during a civil war in 1917, is about a group of buddies who decide to rob a train, and the fall out that subsequently ensues.

I found it quite a middling film despite the best intentions. The movie itself looks good when it's in colour, but it does swap to cheap black and white for certain crucial scenes. The cast is okay and the actors do fit their parts pretty well, but nobody really stands out as a sympathetic character. A debt of inspiration seems to have been paid to BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID, but this is a far cry from the quality of that movie.

так себе, говорит, 5/10 поставил
герои все уроды, не за кого болеть!

[Minime]

Мой фильм ужаса из детства, до одури не нравился, а в телеэфире был в каждые каникулы

Это потому, что ты никогда не была мальчиком 
Я его лет в 10 видел.
Очень тогда мне понравилась девочка  и имя такое красивое "Жо-зе-фина" 
Только пару лет назад узнал, что снят фильм по книге Астрид Линдгрен.

[Minime]

Это все из серии "испортил некролог".

Давеча дошло до смешного - в каком-то (не политическом, нейтральном) разговоре я забыл фамилию Боярского и выдал "... ну... этот...как его... ватник-в-шляпе..." 

герои все уроды, не за кого болеть!

Да, я сам себя последнее время стал на этом ловить когда смотришь какое-нибудь приключение неуловимых, думаешь - "не такие уж вы и неуловимые" 

[düsha]

забавно, совецкие фильмы вызывают ностальгию не только у совков, но и у китайцев!
нашла в ревью служебного романа

Sweet memories for kids like me growing up seeing Soviet films in China during 80's. Thanks to those people doing translations and voices, I found this one so enjoyable. Otherwise, I believe it would be impossible for me to laugh so much when seeing this movie. So many great films from Soviet Union...

некоему типу из Албании дико понравилось, "даже носатая сующая всюду свой нос секретарша"

Simple. Thank you, Ryazanov!

I could even cry when it ended. Even the songs are enough to get you hooked. It's one of those rare movies when you forget that you are actually watching a movie. It was the first time I see those actors and they were adorable, even that nosy secretary was wonderful. What can I say? Thank you, Ryazanov! What I don't understand is why IMDb is giving me such a hard time at my very first comment. I am not a movie critic. I just wanted to say that this film is simply beautiful and that's it. I am only sorry I don't know Russian to appreciate it fully, but anyway I know the sound of it and this is enough. It's good that these movies are rare because people should understand that it's not easy to make good movies.

что-то никто _реально_ западный его не видел, и не поймёшь, что там думают про шуру и прочих 
Ещё одно из Румынии

It's really a great movie especially if you love old romantic movies!! Romantic and funny and illustrates perfectly the work environment and organization from '77. Excellent actor performances and great story line. It made me think at first at the "The taming of the shrew" story. A romance that brings a smile on your face and you can watch on a rainy day. Although I'm not a fan of Russian movies it made me search for other Russian movies and this one remains a "must see". I really liked the male character and his clumsiness and also the shyness of the female main character and to observe people way of thinking and ethics of that period . I'd watched it again in a few years!

понравилось, и даже новосельцев!

[düsha]

осенний марафон

вроде бы американка

In "Autumn Marathon" aka Osenniy Marafon, a romantic Russian comedy about a man who struggles with trying to make his wife, his mistress, his friends, and himself happy. Oleg Basilashvili aka. Andrey Pavlovich Buzykin is a literary translator who is cursed by irresolution and decency. Andrey has an affair which eventually leads both his mistress and his wife to leave him because they are tired of being unhappy. Although this movie was a little to long in telling this romantic comedy, the plot of the story is describe in great depth. The reader is able to follow along with the time line and follow what is happening between a man and these two women throughout the entire plot. Lastly, this comedy brings up vital issues about an individuals choices and the value of an individuals life. Life is very precious but at any moment, one can have everything and at another it can disappear with in a matter of minutes.

вроде бы тоже

This film was a great watch. It was comical while still proving a point. It is a classic film about a man who is simply unhappy with his life who uses women to try to fill the void in his life. Throughout the course of the film, Andrey encounters many comical situations while trying to keep his double life a secret, and keep everyone involved in his web of lies happy. In the end however, he is still unhappy as is his wife and his lover. His unhappiness with his life and general confusion about what exactly he's looking for leads him unable to determine who he really wants to be with, and All parties are left unhappy with no real solution to the problem at hand. Overall, this film was a great watch. It kept my attention the entire time and I enjoyed watching it waiting to see what antics were going to occur next, or how the problem was going to be resolved.

точно американец

While I did enjoy watching this film, I will preface that it was entertaining to watch but the film doesn't deliver as well in the comedy area despite being labeled as a dramatic comedy. There were really one one or two scenes in the movie that particularly made me laugh or elicited a chuckle, while most of the other scenes fell short of that mark. That does not mean the film was bad by any means, rather in my opinion it managed to keep my attention and Andrey's character or rather lack of character was something that hit close to home, in a good way though. The supporting characters complemented the plot very well and the situations that Andrey got himself into made me further interested in what was to come next. I would definitely recommend this film even to those who have no idea about Russian film.

не очень-то смешная комедия, грит

ещё

I enjoyed watching the film. I wasn't quite sure what to expect. The film seemed to lack any action when I first watched it.

Initially, my thoughts were he was just a man trying to have it all. He was always willing to help people and wanted the most out of life. There seemed to be a lot going on in his life.

After discussing it with a few others, I realized how little he was in control of happenings.

Overall, It was a good film that held my interest throughout. There was a good amount of humor that I extracted from the film. I just wish there was a little more action. I was waiting for an interesting twist to come into light, but it just seemed like a normal guy doing somewhat unscrupulous things.

I would recommend this film if you want to kill time. It was pretty funny and semi engaging. It didn't have anything that was outstanding about it though.

если жалуются на "что-то мало движухи" - то точно не совки 

а этот некто посещает занятия по русским фильмам

Centered on a well-meaning Professor, Autumn Marathon shows the chaos that ensues when one cannot learn to say no to himself, and therefore to others around him. Professor Andrey Pavlovich Buzykin is manipulated by everyone around him, especially the women in his life. His mistress Alla is constantly pestering him about having children with her and leaving his wife, Nina. Nina is clearly well-aware that her husband is lying to her and most likely cheating, so she manipulates Andrey into feeling sorry for her by moping around the house and saying that no one needs her. His fellow writer Varvara uses him and adds to his web of lies as he helps her translate, which will cause her to take his place with the publishers. Basically, the whole film is sometimes painful to watch because Andrey's lies to his wife and mistress become more complicated with each scene. At the end, he seems to be peaceful when both women finally leave him, but at practically the same moment, his mistress calls and his wife comes back home. In the final scene of this dizzying chaos, Andrey hasn't learned his lesson and lies to his mistress that his wife has left and lies to his wife that he left his mistress. In my Russian Film class, we discussed how Andrey really isn't that bad of a guy and just wants to please everyone, but as a grown man, he should know better. Throughout the film, it is clear that his lies hurt everyone around him and make his current life almost impossible to keep up with. I wish the film would have ended with him starting anew, but alas, this ending is much more in line with the reality that the older we get, the less likely we are to change.

этот тоже иностранец, хотя явно интересующийся нашей великой культуркой

This film takes a while to get going, but once it does it's a pretty good film. I strongly recommend it to those who'd like to see how ordinary people lived in the USSR in the early 80s.

The film takes place in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), which is Russia's second largest city after Moscow. The cinematographer is this film is a very good one, and there are a lot of great compositional shots... I'd say that the cinematography in this film seems more western than a lot of other Russian films. The editing work and script, by contrast, is not always so good, especially in the beginning of the film (for the first 1/2 hour I didn't even know who the main character was!). The actors are all very believable though, and by the end of the film I pretty much understood everything that I was so confused about at first.

This film isn't a traditional comedy; it's more of a sad morality tale told with some humour to keep it from becoming depressing. If you liked "Moscow Does not Believe in Tears", you may like this movie as well. Interesting to note is that the director was female (EDIT: Sorry folks, he's male. I assumed that the director was Russian, in which case a last name ending with "a" would signify a female).

Overall, I'd give it a 7/10. Westerners may want to watch this if they want to see a "typical" Soviet movie from the last half of the century. Most critics only notice the more "avant garde" movies of Soviet cinema like "Andrei Rublev" or "Battleship Potemkin", and that becomes people's impression of what Russian movies are like. This is for those who want to see a simple movie about a man's life that can be pretty much universal anywhere; there is no over-the-top patriotism or strangeness in this film and it's a good film regardless.

BTW, the Russian voices are better than the English voice-overs.

первые полчаса, грит, я не мог понять, кто тут главный герой вообще
А вообще это интересно с т.зрения позырить "типичное совецкое кино", а то все знают только андрея рублёва да броненосца потёмкина и думают, что все совецкие такие.

[Shana]

Потому что их позиция накладывает отпечаток и на творчество.

Далеко не всегда. Много имперскости Говорухина в "Детях капитана Гранта"? А где заметен "крымнаш" "Ежика в тумане"?

Читая жизнеописания выдающихся личностей прошлого вдруг узнаешь, что они многие из них были бабниками, алкоголиками, а то и просто сволочами. Как маялись с ними семьи. Это мешает воспринимать их творческое наследие?

Недавно читала об исследовании емнип американцев. Много лет назад (50-60) они набрали большое количество молодых людей и попросили их заполнить анкеты с вопросами. Уже в наше время собрали часть этих же людей и снова попросили ответить на вопросы. И оказалось, что за прошедшее время многие радикально поменяли свои взгляды, зачастую на противоположные.

[Кіндрат Калистратович]

Это мешает воспринимать их творческое наследие?

Мне мешает.

[düsha]

гайдая в основном совецкие смотрят, конечно

но, оказывается, амазон-прайм иногда подсовывает нашим западным друзьям, а они даже смотрят

Once again Amazon Prime has come up trumps in delivering a high quality print of a film I'd never even heard of before watching. OPERATION 'Y' & OTHER SHURIK'S ADVENTURES, despite the awkwardness of the title, is a light and breezy comedy anthology from Russia. There are three tales here, all of them featuring Shurik as the main character, and actor Aleksandr Demyanenko is a delight in the role. Shurik is a high energy character, geeky looking, but whose drive and enthusiasm makes for a likable protagonist.

The stories are of differing quality and the first is by far the best. This is a long-running battle of wits between rival workers on a building site; the whole episode is constructed around slapstick humour and as a result it's frequently hilarious, with good production values. The inspiration is clearly the kind of physical comedy popular in Hollywood in the 1920s and 1930s and as a result this is a lot of fun.

The second story starts off in the same vein with plenty of hilarious book-reading scenes in which the principal characters are joined at the hip. It's light, vibrant, and funny, although less so when the story becomes a traditional love story later on. The third story is about a pretend robbery and is less interesting, although still not bad. I hope Prime open their archives to more Russian fare because this has provided an eye-opening experience for this viewer.

этому британцу больше всего понравилась беготня на стройке, больше всего похоже на комедии 20-30-х
кажется, он так и не понял, что во второй части - это совецкие люди так к экзамену готовятся
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059550/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

он же смотрел бриллиантовую руку, но не понял, что смешного

THE DIAMOND ARM is a Russian comedy about diamond smuggling and one inept fool finding himself up against powers stacked against him. It's about a chap who through various plot twists ends up getting a stash of diamonds hidden inside his arm cast, and the shenanigans that follow when the gangsters to whom the diamonds belong give chase.

Unfortunately for me I didn't find the comedy in this film to be particularly funny despite the best efforts. The humour is very specific to Russia in the late 1960s and thus doesn't really translate well to a modern Western viewer. Some bits are mildly amusing and that's about it. Saying that, the film does have good production values and enthusiastic actors, it's simply that I didn't find it funny in comparison to something more slapstick-orientated and accessible like OPERATION 'Y' AND OTHER SHURIK'S ADVENTURES.

другие

O.K., before I review this DVD (it's actually more than one "movie"), let me disclose a couple facts. First, apart from the unparalleled works of Eisenstein, I am not a huge fan of Russian Cinema. I find much of it ponderous, and overly bogged down in State approved propaganda.

Operation "Y" or Operatsiya Y i drugiye priklyucheniya Shurika (Operation Y and other Shurik's Adventures) as it's known in Russian, is the most popular Soviet Era comedy, possibly the most popular Russian comedy of all time. So, despite the double negative of Russian Slapstick, I had to give it a look.

It's hard to hate Shurik's adventures, but if you're not a slapstick fan, they're not really going to fully win you over either. Shurik is a young go-getter in the vein of Harold Lloyd's 'Glasses Guy' (Shurik is also bespectacled) and his Adventures fall somewhere between Charlie Chaplin and Benny Hill both chronologically (since it was released in 1965) and stylistically. While the vignettes aren't as charming as Chaplin, they are, mercifully, less annoying than Hill, and thankfully, the Soviet propaganda while undeniably present is set to a very low pitch. Not being a fan of the genre, I'll refrain from actually endorsing or cautioning about this film collection, but I will say, exhaust the Chaplin, Keaton and Lloyd cannons (and perhaps the cartoons of Chuck Jones too) before moving on to these.

I love this movie, and the guy who plays Shurik is hilarious. Much funnier than Jim Carey. I want to see more of his movies. Too bad he lived on the wrong side of the curtain for so many years. And sadly, like all the best, he died young. He should have tried to be more like Ted Kennedy. And his side-kicks were hilarious as well. A friend told me that they were famous Russian actors in their own right. Just plane fun, light-hearted and simple. Whether you speak Russian or not, it's worth it to have a look at this classic comedy collection. It is a fascinating look into the Russian sense of humor, as it is universally loved in the former Eastern Bloc countries, and if you look at the ratings for US viewers, here in the West as well.

[Mike123]

Это мешает воспринимать их творческое наследие?

Пока это тебя не касается непосредственно - не мешает. А вот когда касается - мешает и еще как.

[Ash]

Мне мешает.

Как тогда книги  читаешь и фильмы смотришь?
 Кристально-чистых образчиков  гражданской совести и  высокой морали  среди творческой братии крайне мало.

[Mike123]

Как тогда книги  читаешь и фильмы смотришь?

А я сейчас российские книги не читаю и фильмы не смотрю. Совсем.

[Кіндрат Калистратович]

Это мешает воспринимать их творческое наследие?

Пока это тебя не касается непосредственно - не мешает. А вот когда касается - мешает и еще как.

Я бы даже сказал, что когда тебя коснулось, на остальных начинаешь смотреть по другому, даже если они не касаются тебя.

[Кіндрат Калистратович]

Как тогда книги  читаешь и фильмы смотришь?

А я сейчас российские книги не читаю и фильмы не смотрю. Совсем.

ТБД ИЧСХ я перестал это делать, где-то после сериала Менты.
Ну может Менты-2.

[Ash]

А я сейчас российские книги не читаю и фильмы не смотрю. Совсем.

У меня это было в 14. И в 15 частично. Травма.  Но даже травму можно отрефлексировать. Если хотеть, естественно. Если с твоей точки зрения оно того не стоит- ну, такой у тебя выбор.
 Отрефлексировать травму не означает простить.
Просто она не должна мешать жить.
 

[Mike123]

Просто она не должна мешать жить.

Веришь - не мешает совершенно .

У меня это было в 14. И в 15 частично. Травма.  Но даже травму можно отрефлексировать. Если хотеть, естественно. Если с твоей точки зрения оно того не стоит- ну, такой у тебя выбор.

Ну, там немного не так. Но углубляться не будем. А с твоей точки зрения - оно стоит? Я ведь не про Служебный роман, если вдруг это не очевидно. А про актуальную российскую продукцию?

[Ash]

Веришь - не мешает совершенно .

Не верю ). Но я верю, что ты в это веришь ).

А про актуальную российскую продукцию?

Ты имеешь ввиду все фильмы, снятые в России после распада Советского Союза ?  Или исключительно фильмы, снятые после 2014 ?

[Mike123]

Ты имеешь ввиду все фильмы, снятые в России после распада Советского Союза ?  Или исключительно фильмы, снятые после 2014 ?

И те и те. Т.е. градаций три. До 91. От 91 до 2014. От 2014.

Не верю ). Но я верю, что ты в это веришь ).

Эээ... даже растерялся. Ты считаешь, что отказ от потребления российской медиапродукции мешает мне жить?

[Ash]

Эээ... даже растерялся. Ты считаешь, что отказ от потребления российской медиапродукции мешает мне жить?

Нет , но мы  говорили ( по крайней мере, я )  о травме , когда говорила , что она не должна  мешать жить.  А не об отказе.

И те и те. Т.е. градаций три. До 91. От 91 до 2014. От 2014.

Так ты отказался от всех трех ?

[Mike123]

Так ты отказался от всех трех ?

Это ответ вопросом на вопрос? Я - да. Но тебя я спрашиваю только за период от 14 до сейчас и от 91 до 14.

Нет , но мы  говорили ( по крайней мере, я )  о травме , когда говорила , что она не должна  мешать жить.  А не об отказе.

А, ну травмы у меня нет, потому и помех нет .