минобороны Остин рассказывает про очередное заседание "помощи Украине"I'm especially grateful to Denmark, which announced today that it will provide a harpoon launcher and missiles to help Ukraine defend its coast. I’d also like to thank the Czech Republic for its substantial support, including a recent donation of attack helicopters, tanks and rocket systems. And today, several countries announced new donations of critically needed artillery systems and ammunition, including Italy, Greece, Norway and Poland. And let me also recognize the United Kingdom for its leading role in helping to coordinate security assistance and for the significant quantities of British equipment that continue to flow into Ukraine. I'm deeply grateful to these countries and to all the countries that have stood up today.
Особенно спасибо Дании, которая пообещала дать гарпуны и ракеты, чтобы помочь Украине защитить берег.
Ещё спасибо Чехии за недавнии подарки в виде боевых вертолётов, танков и ракетных систем.
Сегодня ещё несколько стран пообещали дать артилерийские системы и аммуницию, например Италия, Греция, Норвегия и Польша. И Англия тоже хорошо помогает.
Q:
Mr. Secretary, you mentioned that today you got a sharper sense of Ukraine's requirements. Can you talk a little bit about what the Ukrainian officials have told you they needed? And one of the things that they say they need, I believe, is HIMARS or MLRS. Is the U.S. or any other country prepared to send those major systems to Ukraine? And if that's true, are there any limits on how they can be used, either in Crimea or in the Donbas?
SEC. AUSTIN:
Let me reiterate that I believe that today was a very successful meeting, and you heard the Chairman talk about the numbers of countries that were involved. You heard me, you know, speak about the number -- the types of donations that some-20 countries came forward with today to announce. That's real progress which is needed for real problems.
And so we're very, very satisfied that we had a very productive meeting but we recognize that this is a work in progress and we will need to continue to remain focused on this going forward.
Now, in terms of what their needs are, they really are pretty much the same as they were the last time we talked, and that was long range fires, armor, in terms of tanks and armored personnel carriers, some UAV capability.
And so that has not changed. The nature of the fight, as you've heard us describe a number of times, is -- the fight is really shaped by artillery in this phase. And we've seen serious exchanges of artillery fires over the last several weeks.
Regarding HIMARS, I don't want to get ahead of where we are in the process of resourcing requirements.
I'd just like for you to know that we are not only talking to the Ukrainians today but it's every day. As the Chairman pointed out he's talking to his counterpart routinely, I talk to Minister Reznikov at least once a week and probably more than that in most weeks.
So we'll continue to refine their requirements. We'll engage the international community to make sure that, you know, we can get as much capability against those requirements as possible. But again, I don't want to discuss specific systems in this forum. So.
- вы говорите, узнали подробнее, что украинцам надо. А нам скажите? Наверно HIMARS? Мы или кто-то другой будем их слать? Есть какие-то границы, как их использовать, в Крыму или на Донбасе?
- У нас был очень хороший митинг, много стран вызвались помочь. И мы договорились, что будем продолжать и углублять.
Что украинцам надо, это и так понятно, орудия дальнего действия, танки, дроны.
Такие у них сейчас бои, много артилерии.
Про HIMARS - не хочу забегать вперёд, мы пока в процессе.
Мы не только сегодня говорили с украинцами, мы с ними постоянно говорим. И мы продолжим улучшать их требования. Мы, короче, стараемся, но я не буду тут говорить про конкретные оружия.
SEC. AUSTIN: Tom Bowman?
Q: I'm hoping this is a question both of you could answer. General Petraeus famously said of the Iraq War, "Tell me how this ends." So with the Ukraine War, how does this end? Is it pushing the Russians back to pre-invasion borders? Is it pushing the Russians completely out of Ukraine, as British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has said? Or is it somewhere in the middle?
SEC. AUSTIN: Tom, our effort is to do everything that we can to strengthen Ukraine's hands on the battlefield, and also at the negotiation table. And so we're going to stick with doing everything we can to make sure that they achieve their objectives. At the end of the day, you know, what this looks like, what end state looks like, will be defined by the Ukrainians, and not by us. And so we'll leave that up to President Zelenskyy and his leadership to talk about, you know, how this transitions.
GEN. MILLEY: The end state's defined by the political leadership, and in this case, President Zelenskyy's going to define the end state inside the boundaries of Ukraine. For the broader -- we want to continue to support Ukraine defending their country. We want to make sure NATO's unified, and we want to uphold the concept that there's a rules-based international order and the powerful and the big can't just destroy and invade the weak and the small.
- генерал Петреес про войну в ираке сказал "скажите мне, как она закончится". Ну и вот в Украине - как она закончится? отпихнуть рашу на границы февраля? полностью выпихнуть из Украины, как сказала Лиз Трасс? Или что-то среднее?
- Мы просто помогаем Украине укрепиться в бою и за переговорным столом. Вот такие у нас задачи. Украинцам решать, как закончится война, не нам. Вот пусть Зеленский решает.
Милли: Зеленский решает, какие границы его устраивают, мы просто помогаем им защищать страну. И мы хотим, чтобы НАТО чувствовало себя хорошо, и чтоб международный порядок был.
Q: But if it weren't for the U.S. and NATO, the Zelenskyy government couldn't even exist. So my question is, does NATO have a voice at all in this effort about how this ends? Because this could go on for years, as some have said.
SEC. AUSTIN: I stand by what I've said earlier, Tom. If this'll -- the way that it transitions, the way that it ends will be defined by the Ukrainian people, the Ukraine --
Q: But again, if they say ‘we want all Russians out of our country,’ would you both abide by that?
SEC. AUSTIN: What we will abide by is what our president decides that we will do going forward. That will be a policy decision. But again, I think this is Ukraine's fight. It's not the United States' fight. We are doing everything that we can to make sure that we are supporting them in their effort to defend their sovereign territory. The rest of the international community's doing the same, Tom. And again, since it's their fight, it's their country, I want to make sure that they have the say-so in terms of, you know, what end state looks like.
- но если бы не сша и нато, у Зеленского не было бы никакого правительства! ичо, у нато нет права голоса что ли? Это же может продолжаться годами.
- я сказал, что сказал. Это должны определять украинцы.
- нуичо, а если они скажут "хотим всех рашиков выгнать из страны", и вычо, согласитесь?
- Наш президент решает, что мы должны делать. Но это украинская борьба. Не американская. Мы им помогаем защищать их суверенную территорию. Другие страны делают то же самое. Т.е. это их страна, им решать, как должна закончиться война.
